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Clever. He picked a woman veep so as to suck up to the Hillary supporters.

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[krazykitkat.livejournal.com]

I just don't understand the number of Hillary supporters who say they'll vote for McCain. So they'd rather abortion be banned than vote for a Democrat that isn't Hillary? Because from what I've read, McCain is even more anti-abortion than Bush. They're willing to sabotage their lives?

[wingblaze.livejournal.com]

Not just a woman. A *young* woman.

[rickthefightguy.livejournal.com]

Its like being in kindergarten all over again! Woot! I hate what it says about Sen. Clinton - that her values are closer to McCains than Obama's. Or of course, it could be that those folks are simple racists... anyone but the black guy.

[ealdthryth.livejournal.com]

Exactly what I thought!

[oakleaf-mirror.livejournal.com]

I'm sure that was part of it, but it seems more likely a sop to the religious right. Palin is strongly anti-choice, and favours teaching creationism in schools and such.

Anyone who claims to support Hillary, but votes for McCain, is just cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[rickthefightguy.livejournal.com]

Lifetime NRA member, avid hunter, supports drilling in ANWAR (as almost all Alaskans do, but McCain doesn't) - yeah, you are correct - this is to cement support from the far Right.

[dlevey.livejournal.com]

But not necessarily those from the *establishment* far right. She has a reputation for taking on her own party, much like the image McCain has been trying so hard to foster (when he isn't sucking up to his own party, that is).

[ladypeyton.livejournal.com]

Plus her husband works in the oil industry.

[dlevey.livejournal.com]

Though he's supposedly been "on leave" while she's been in office, to avoid conflict charges.

[ladypeyton.livejournal.com]

I hadn't read that yet, but I have to say, I'm glad someone is staying home with that poor Downs Syndrome baby.

[rufinia.livejournal.com]

Yup. Because McCain seems to believe that Hillary supporters were only voting for a pair of ovaries.

[ramblingmom.livejournal.com]

For 30 seconds maybe.

I'll be really disappointed in any Hillary supporters that vote for the McCain/Palin ticket simply because Palin is female. She's practically opposite Hillary on many issues. Voting *FOR* a female is as stupid as voting AGAINST Obama because he's "black."

[dlevey.livejournal.com]

...or, for that matter, voting FOR Obama because he's "black." But look at the primary turnouts...

[laurion]

And yet half of the country is constantly calling the other half stupid. Never underestimate the power of people to do things you consider stupid.

[jducoeur]

The interesting question in my book is whether Hillary comes after her. I'm guessing that the Republicans will try to portray any attacks against Palin as "anti-feminist" to cloud things up. Which might have some success -- unless Hillary is the one making the attacks.

I'm guessing that, while Hillary would probably prefer to be off the campaign trail at this point, the idea of Palin being the first woman in the White House instead of her is probably *horrifying* to her. So she might be willing to play the Democrats' counter in this case, and I'd bet that she would be extremely effective at doing so...

[ladypeyton.livejournal.com]

Or Nancy Pelosi.

[laurion]

Or Michelle Obama. Wouldn't hurt for her to push the image of a strong first lady.

[jducoeur]

Perhaps, but less optimal -- remember that people are very down on Congress at this point, and Pelosi is *the* symbol of Congress. And frankly, she just doesn't have as much spark as Hillary does when she's fired up...

[ladypeyton.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I don't think it's at all clever to assume that Hillary supporters only loved her because of her girl parts. They are completely and insultingly underestimating the intelligence of Hillary supporters if they think Palin is a decent substitution.

[dlevey.livejournal.com]

It might not be to substitute, but to say "WE can nominate a female candidate too."

[ladypeyton.livejournal.com]

True. I guess I was looking at it solely as a tactic to lure angry Clinton supporters and that's a mistake.

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

I don't think anyone is that stupid. By which I mean:

1. I don't think that women blindly vote for women without any forethought. No matter what. Women THINK.

2. I don't think that anyone realistically thinks that women vote for women, axiomatically. Well, maybe a few dumb clucks.

3. One has to ask themselves: what did the McCain campaign truly need? It needed a younger and more conservative Veep, with sterling credentials in order to win back the New Righteous and Neo-Cons. Because the campaign needs money and support. A lot of it.

I think that, once again, his choice shows the sort of poor judgment that McCain is chronically displaying. She cannot and won't be a modern-style Vice President, a co-regnant with junior powers. She has to be a more "bucket of warm spit" style VP. She'll try to reassure the fading far right, while he's off trying to capture the middle. She's an accessory for campaigning, not a choice for eventual victory.

I haven't thought a lot, nor read a lot. But on first impression, it isn't her sexual characteristics that matter most - although they won't hurt. No one is really underestimating women here.

(I think they are seriously underestimating the American people, and the damage she can do to McCain's campaign. And her own ongoing Trooper-Gate issues with her former brother-in-law are going to be a REAL problem. Bad vetting and stupid choices.)

[lucianus.livejournal.com]

And her own ongoing Trooper-Gate issues with her former brother-in-law are going to be a REAL problem. Bad vetting and stupid choices.)

Yes, I'm very surprised they would have touched with a ten foot pole because of that. It will just be more fuel for the fire.

[dlevey.livejournal.com]

I thought I had just read that the investigation concluded that a staff member had made the call to fire the guy, and that she supposedly knew nothing of it until it blew up. I can't find that citation, though.

[cvirtue.livejournal.com]

"1. I don't think that women blindly vote for women without any forethought. No matter what. Women THINK."

I disagree. I believe a lot of women don't think. Just like a lot of men don't think.

What I am concerned about is that there may be pro-Hilary people out there who got so attracted to Hilary that they really might switch to another woman without realizing that this new woman's positions are 180 degrees in opposition. I hope this is unlikely, but I don't have a lot of faith in the electorate.

My second concern is wondering how much of the "Hilary supporters for McCain" are loud people who have actually been for McCain all along, and are using the coverage in a subtle way to undermine the Democrats.

[laurion]

Oh yes. A very crafty choice by the Reps. By announcing it when they did, and by staging their own convention so close to the Dems, they've stolen a lot of attention and press time, and are hoping to curb the Convention Bump. Their choice of VP was also inspired - young, to offset the age image (although Biden's no spring chicken), female to steal some of the diehard Hillary camp and a woman-at-any-cost camp, pro oil, pro life to help the hard right swallow the idea of a woman, as strong a profile for Family Values as you could ask for, with 5 kids, one autistic, one in the military, with a blue collar oil rig working husband, and a legacy of cutting spending and setting sail in her own direction, to subtly deflate the mantra of Change from the other side.

Both VP choices this time around were very savvy, and even more political than I've seen before. It's warming up to be one hell of a fight. Time to go make some more popcorn!

[dreda.livejournal.com]

I didn't think they'd be this blatant, but what do I know?

"Governor Palin is smart, authentic, tough, and a dynamic choice that will remind women that if they are not welcome on the Democrat's ticket, they have a place with Republicans." - Mike Huckabee

[silme.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah. Cause Hillary supporters are anti-choice.
Egads, if Hillary supporters vote for an anti-choice ticket... *sigh*

[baron-steffan.livejournal.com]

Oh, ya think? If he did, he's not just wrong, he's stupid and insulting as well. Because substituting Palin for Clinton assumes that Hillary's supporters were supporting a chromosome rather than a person with ideas. Politically, Palin and Clinton aren't even in the same galaxy, and if there actually is someone out there who feels that they're interchangeable simply because of that chromosome, quite frankly s/he doesn't deserve the franchise.