Clueless ones

[msmemory_archive]

I just refused a request from a person whose name I totally do not recognize (does not appear anywhere in my Precedence files), who was trying to join all nine polling lists for the East. Including the Chivalry and the Rose! Bub, if you live in this kingdom and claim to be a member of either the Chivalry or the Rose, and especially if you are a member of both*, trust me if I say I don't recognize your name. Nervy, I have to give him that.

(The East has no male members of the Rose. Period. Yet, anyway.)

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[dagonell.livejournal.com]

The Rose is a polling order??? I can't see that as anything except an opportunity for deadly insult. "We don't care if you were on the throne, we don't like you!"
-- Dagonell

[oakleaf-mirror.livejournal.com]

It's happened.

[thorsbaby.livejournal.com]

Sure is. Of course, to not get it you would have to be a.... well, really bad. I don't think it's
ever been *not* given. Any Royal Peer with half a brain cell would realize the fallout would be not worth it at all. Of course....I can see Fergus not getting it if Nikki and Eleanor let him do what he wanted. :)

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

It has been denied in the East.

[thorsbaby.livejournal.com]

You'll have to send me the history on that one, cuz I can't find it.
sir_thorson@yahoo.com

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

Our hostess in this part of LJ and I were corresponding on this offline. I cannot recall who it was, and have no time at work to look it up. (Rather, I might have time at work for personal stuff, but it's spoken for already. LOL)

She and I discussed Arastorm the Golden, but she was not rebuffed. Rather, she refused it, being the Queen who created the Order of the Rose in the East.

I recall that someone failed to get it as Countess, and got it as Duchess later. Damned if I am recalling who - so, maybe, it's a brain fart. Someone ought to look that up. :-)

[thorsbaby.livejournal.com]

I am looking.. Nothing yet. Perhaps this is SCAdian false lore? Like the Fencer/Archer/Fighter getting attacked in the subway yet no one knows them and depending on who tells it the guy was hospitalized/killed/put in prison.....

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm wrong.

Is that like the story about the fighter practice in Dorchester - which I think I recall had the line "How do you feel about Kikes, then", or something like that?

Baron Steffan was there... for that one.

(There was Sir Koppel in Trimaris, I believe, who was attacked and hospitalized. Maybe that's the story you mean...)

[thorsbaby.livejournal.com]

My point was that there are many things in the SCA talked about so much that they become "true" when they in fact, never happened.

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

OK, OK, I looked. Something weird is going on here.

If you compare the lists of Coronations with the list of Roses, the only person who doesn't have a Rose is Arastorm.

But.....

The list of Roses says that Fatima (of Murad and Fatima) received hers before she even stepped down.... and her list of individual awards lists only "Countess", no other awards, and no mention of anything else.

Lists of records are spotty from that era, so I can't tell you if she has it or not, or if she awarded it to herself or not.

[msmemory.livejournal.com]

The Patent is automatic, the Rose is polled.