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I love this kingdom, I really do. But sometimes I do get wry amusement from it.

About 10 days ago, which was early, I received my spreadsheet with the roster of Crown List entrants, so that I can prepare my Order of Precedence march of combattants. It was 29 lines, which was 30 fighters (one combattant couple, as usual). Looking it over, I discovered that half a dozen of the "usual suspects" weren't there, so I created entries for them, figuring I can toss out the extra cards if the Crown doesn't opt those fighters in at the last minute.

Just now, someone leaked a list of the entrants on a household list, forwarded from one of the shire lists. 43 names. Including some but not all of my "missing" fellows, and a couple of people I'd heard through the grapevine had submitted letters of intent but had not confirmed. Snicker. I'll bet that list is slightly longer yet before the day.

Now, personally, I'd be all in favor of doing as several (most?) of the other kingdoms do, and posting the list of entrants a week or two before the tournament. Surprise only goes so far - and a posted roster would cut down on the nudging and whispers. Then it could be all corrected and updated before the tournament day, too. I know the secrecy thing hearkens back to the First Tournament years, when a fighter did not have to announce his inspiration's identity until his victory, and I'm enough of a traditionalist to respect that, but I think there is also much to be said for proclaiming as a joyous announcement who the contestants will be, both combattants and consorts.

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I'm personally in favor of that as well.
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I'm excited about the prospect of 43 names. Is that combattants only or couples? If the former (which I'm guessing, since it's an odd number) that is so cool. I love Crowns best when they start with hordes of fighters. I doubt that many people will show up, but I can hope, right?
I may on crack, but I seem to remember back in ye Olde Days, when I first started in An Tir, it was a fighter's responsibility to know their own Precedence. There were no LoI's, so people just signed in and then lined up. Everyone knew sort of who was around them, and i'm assuming if there was a serious quibble, there was a herald handy with a printout of the OP. I'm totally not willing to get into a pro/anti-LoI discussion today (or most days, really, because I've had it 39487239 times and it tires me) but does it seem like this system (where YOU have to do minimal work) would even work? I mean, I saw it work from the outside (and I remember seeing some Crowns in An Tir that were heeyoooge) but does it seem remotely feasible to have the fighters take some responsibility?

You know, you make a good point that it should be more open. As a trusted officer, do you think you could get it before Curia?

I know the secrecy thing hearkens back to the First Tournament years, when a fighter did not have to announce his inspiration's identity until his victory, and I'm enough of a traditionalist to respect that

I gotta tell you, it caused problems back then too, and I've always thought it was a pretty poor idea.

Uhm, I'm on the list, yes? Not that I expect great things from fighting in this crown, but I am interested in participating.

in AnTir, the lists are totally open. no letter of intent, the fighters sign up the morning of, and line themselves up (makes for a good long time of standing around)

we will have 100 fighters sometimes.

every now and then someone suggests asking for letters of intent, etc and for the most part, people act like theyre being asked to eat babies :)

heh :). you hsoul dhave heard the hue and cry when they started requiring memberships! OMG!!!!

AnTir is funny :)

The Quintavia list sent out a list of 43 names this morning. Likely the one you got?

Looking at Kingdom Law, there is nothing said that the List must be kept secret. So the King and Queen would just have to choose to release it, and that would be that.

Lucan posted the list of 43 to the Armour Archive yesterday.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=65584

I dunno why it wasn't sent to SCA East ro anything, but it is out there.

Are there any deadlines involved in this process, which potential combattans are missing?

I really enjoyed putting together the Crown lists. Most of the difficulties come in when an entrant gives their letter of intent to either the Seneschal or the Crown, and not to both. It was much worse when the letters only went to the royalty, and the seneschal would not receive the letters from the royalty until shortly before Crown. And now, with letters of intent accepted by email, it is even easier.

The one draw back to posting the list ahead of time may be resolving outstanding membership issues. But again, with membership purchase available on-line and the seneschal's ability to now access the database directly, it may be possible.

Hmm. Inter-kingdom anthro time. In the West, the heralds aren't involved in this at all. The Lists office gets the list to the Crown, the Crown determines if anyone is not suitable (rare), and then determines which of the unbelted fighters will be moved to the belted list for the first round challenges. Interesting that someone has a list of who's fighting before the event. I think here in the West a bunch of fighters decide if they're entering the morning of the tourney. <g>

I, for one, am annoyed. Not even those in my own house know who is on these lists! It always used to be so that you would have no unfair advantage.... I guess everyone wanted to make my last Crown Tourney as Kingdom Mistress of Lists memorable. Never before, to my knowledge, has the list been published/leaked prior to Crown Tourney.
We'll have to see if it makes any difference.

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