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Eish. They've started checking IDs on the Green Line. Apparently, if you are innocent, you are not supposed to mind.

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Re: Shall we slow down a bit?

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

OK, my mistake. (Why didn't I check Google News first?

Here are some confirming articles

Now I'm pissed.

Re: Shall we slow down a bit?

[goldsquare.livejournal.com]

Perhaps the rash amongst us would like to know about document by the ACLU called "KNOW YOUR RIGHTS: What To Do If Questioned By Police, FBI, Customs Agents or Immagration Officers". While mostly aimed at immigrants, it contains the following advice:

Q: What if the police stop me on the street?
A: Ask if you are free to go. If the answer is yes,
consider just walking away. If the police say you
are not under arrest, but are not free to go, then
you are being detained. The police can pat down
the outside of your clothing if they have reason to
suspect you might be armed and dangerous. If
they search any more than this, say clearly,
“I do not consent to a search.” They may keep
searching anyway. You do not need to answer any
questions if you are detained or arrested.

Q: What if police stop me in my car?
A: Keep your hands where the police can see
them. You do not have to consent to a search. But
if the police have probable cause to believe that
you have been involved in a crime or that you have
evidence of a crime in your car, your car can be
searched without your consent. Clearly state that
you do not consent. Officers may separate
passengers and drivers from each other to
question them and compare their answers, but
no one has to answer any questions.

Re: Shall we slow down a bit?

[cvirtue.livejournal.com]

It seems to me that an ID check on the train is inefficient. Yes, someone could bring explosives on the train, but that someone could also hop off the platform and deposit them up in the tunnel somewhere. The place to check IDs (or to scan the crowds for something wrong) is at the turnstyles, where entry is more or less slow and orderly, and before someone is into the stations and tunnels.

I still don't like the ID check. But the method seems to continue reinforcing to me that there is a BIG difference between real effective measures, and measure which are meant to be seen publically to make people feel better. And its those latter which are most intrusive to law-abiding citizens.

Re: Shall we slow down a bit?

[jtdiii.livejournal.com]

Of course on the green line, they are stuck checking in the cars, as the majority of Green line stops are open air locations, on the side of the road, with no turnstiles. :)

Re: Shall we slow down a bit?

[cvirtue.livejournal.com]

*slaps self on head* Of course. It's been quite a while since I rode the T regularly.