Precedence

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I definitely need to whip together the list of Civil Peers By Seniority. I was prompted to do Carolingia's list following the Frosty Revels Ball, when we spent a little time scurrying around so as to give the right answer to jdulac, when the toasts were due. It's clear I need to have the same list set up for the kingdom, and a copy stuck in my feast basket, not just on my pc.

It seems last night that jducoeur (May 1992) was in fact the second-most-senior non-Royal peer at feast. As far as we could tell, there was one pair of Count/Countess (Griffyth & Aikaterine, seated next to us), and one Pelican (Quentin), who outranked him, plus the Crown. All the other elder peers had gone home or out instead of staying to feast.

Comments

[liamstliam.livejournal.com]

What bothers me is how consistently it is screwed up even when people *know* they're not supposed to do it.

In my mind, if an event's that small, you *can* usually find out just by asking.

It almost happened to me once, but at the last minute, a viscount decided to stay.

[baron-steffan.livejournal.com]

See? That's the thing. For this purpose, viscounts don't count. If Liam is the highest ranking "bestowed" peer, then the person to give the first toast (to the King and Queen) is Liam. The viscount, unless he got a bestowed peerage before Liam did, does not give the first toast. If, say, he's also a knight, and was made a knight before Liam was made a Pelican, then, yeah, okay. But otherwise, it's Liam. The viscounty rank is irrelevant.

Not exactly rocket science....

[liamstliam.livejournal.com]

Sorry Steffan.

I was not clear.

It was Karl. Of course he has precedence on me.

I keep forgetting that there *might* be royal peers who are lower in precedence than I am. I have not been a peer that long. Certainly, at that time, a couple of years ago, that was not true, and I do not think it's true in the East quite yet.

[baron-steffan.livejournal.com]

Sure it is. How could so debonair a gentleman as you, Liam, forget the fair ladies [GRIN]? Regarding only bestowed peerages, as I explained up-thread, you outrank three Ladies of the Rose: Countesses Geneviere, Svava, and Aikaterine.

[liamstliam.livejournal.com]

*shakes head*

Once my master, always my master.

How about Her Majesty? (And eventually, Her Highness)?

I am on a roll.

[lumineaux.livejournal.com]

I cannot count the number of times recently when I've discovered that I am the most senior Peer in the room. Scary times, these.